re: 1st para: what this has to do with health insurance is beyond me.

re: 2nd para: medicare pays out 97 cents on the dollar (97%), leaving 3 cents (3%) to administrative costs. The average private insurance company only pays out 80 cents (80%) of its proceeds.

re: 3rd para: 45% of all personal bankruptcy cases in the U,S. are due to medical expenses. Outside of those who have no insurance, a bigger case can be made of millions who are under insured because they cannot afford proper coverage.

soccom8341576:

If you can afford to save and plan. The average cost of medical expenses for a family in the U.S. is over $900 a month.

Universal health care has proven itself demonstrably better in any advanced nation that has it.

3rd and last answer to an obvious question: because health insurance companies make a brick ton of money. Also health insurance companies do not make money by paying out claims. Google a bit, for example: “health insurance claims denied”.

you are fucking stupid, this country has the worst health care system in the fucking world!

Yes…and that’s why France went from number 2-ish in the world to the teens in medical innovation. You’re real smart. Never said our plan isn’t without fault, but the care here is better, cheaper (if you think it’s free in other countries then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote), and delivered with greater speed. If you think it’s so bad, then give some examples please. When you can get full coverage for less than $100/month you’re not selling me on your uneducated remarks.

Most countries weren’t founded on principles of limited government, private property and individual rights. Government healthcare violates all of these principles that define our country because American government was never authorized to give healthcare, and through income tax and inflation, we are forced, involuntarily and against our will, to pay for it. That’s not freedom. So i’m told, whether you were rich or poor, American healthcare was great before government intervened about 50 yrs ago.

When you have a profit driven system people die for no other reason than greed, remember this 20% of alot is alot.

You must be fucking high. This country has the best treatment system in the world! yes, there are some people who can’t afford healthcare, but that’s life. We CAN get more people insured without nationalizing the entire system or expanding big gov’t.

One of the major reasons healthcare costs so much is because it’s TOO DAMN regulated in this country! States and feds keep piling on rule after rule and red tape galore. Insurance co’s could offer cheaper plans if they could cover less.

re LeifRunenritzer: That’s pretty much the kind of brainwashing I’ve come to expect from some Americans. Faced with obvjective facts that are self evidently unacceptable, the true American patriots only response is to trot out dogma and ideology.

“Limited government” as you call it, is code for less social co-operation, ie’ feasting while your neighbours kids starve. Have you noticed your government is only limited when it comes time to take care of the less fortunate?

But NOOO. The Democrats and welfare statists think insurance co’s should have to cover every little treatment and surgery, right down to the most frivolous. This only drives up costs. Rather than let US, the consumers, shop around and pick the best healthcare plans based on what KIND of coverage we need, the gov’t has decided to TELL US what we need.

You may think the nanny state is the savior of mankind, but I don’t care for the gov’t limiting my options.

Polemics and ideology don’t do much good when you’re facing starvation, sickness, and death. Regardless of how idealistically wonderful your ideas are people will reject them if they are in a position of suffering.

If you are going to stand by your ideology then you need to provide people with the knowledge they need to make that ideology function. So how do you pay for your healthcare? I hope your answer isn’t that you won the lottery.